[The books referred to in parentheses in the following essay were all written by Neale Donald Walsch, and full bibliographic information about them is given at the end of this essay.]
The key to understanding Neale Donald Walsch is to realize that he is part of the New Thought movement. His ideas are very similar to other writers in this movement such as Rhonda Byrne, Deepak Chopra, Wayne Dyer and Terry Cole-Whittaker. Nothing is paradoxical or unusual in his writings once one understands this larger movement and its idea of our relationship with the Divine. [This site contains an essay on the origins of New Thought, an essay on its basic teachings and an essay on its problems. All of these essays are in the History of Ideas section.]
What is unusual and interesting about Walsch is that he is very worried our civilization is in a deep crisis (CW2, p.138-140), and he expands basic New Thought ideas to offer a solution to the crisis. This crisis is so severe in his opinion that we are years, not decades, from collapse. (NR, p. ix) The purpose of his books is to raise collective consciousness to avert this crisis. (CW2, p. 256) He is to be commended for being one of the few New Thought teachers who focus on our civilization’s troubles, especially as he says his audience hates it when he talks about politics and are often infuriated with him. (F, p. 379-380)
While Walsch thinks there is an impending crisis, he is very hopeful. He says “the world could change overnight” if we could change our consciousness. (CW2, p. 260) We do not have to wait for the whole society or government to change. Individuals can change first and then help other individuals change. Eventually, there will be enough individuals with the new, more connected consciousness that finally a critical mass of people will emerge and society as a whole will change. [The critical mass is around 3% of all people. (T, p. 17)] Walsch is such an optimist that this change will not take centuries, but only decades or even just years. (T, p. 215)
According to Walsch, the core problem causing our crisis is the mistaken ideas organized religions teach us about God. (NR, p. 29-30) We are actually one with God and with all life, but organized religions do not want us to know this as priests want control. They would not have this control if we knew about the power within us through our connection to God. (H, p. 168)
Walsch says that people do not experience separateness from God on their own. Instead people believe they are separate from God because religion tells them so. (NR, p. 186) People forget their connection to God as they are taught they do not have any inner connection to the divine separate from the religious authorities. (T, p. 142)
Walsch says that our science, math, medicine, technology, philosophy and psychology have all changed to keep up with the times, but our religious ideas have not. (T, p. 213 & NR, p. 176) So the root of our civilization’s crisis is that we suffer from outmoded religious ideas that lead people to hurt each other and the planet. Walsch says that people “plunder the Earth, rape her of her resources, exploit her people, and systematically disenfranchise those who disagree with you.” (CW2, p. 172)
Walsch says that either we keep religious fundamentalism or we have new spiritual revelations. (NR, p. 64) As religious fundamentalism is the root cause of our civilization’s crisis, he thinks we need a new spiritual revelation: his books, which he claims are channeled from God. He says that this new revelation in his books will expand the insights of religions; it will not reject their insights, but rejuvenate them. “The world must create a New Spirituality. Not something to completely replace the old, but something to refresh it. Not something to reduce the old, but something to expand it. Not something to subvert the old, but something to support the best of it.” (NR, p. 177) His revelation will be a higher synthesis of the old religions and new insights we need to keep up with the times. This new revelation will not say that people were wrong in their earlier understanding of previous revelations. It will say, “You simply didn’t have a complete understanding. You needed more information. Transcending current beliefs is not an outright rejection of them; it is an ‘adding to’ them. Now that you have more information that you can add to what you presently believe, you can enlarge your beliefs – not completely reject them, enlarge them – and move on with your lives in a new way.” (NR, p. 9) This new synthesis will work by keeping people focused on the core principles in their religious traditions and stop them from quarreling over the minor points or fine print. (T, p. 233)
The core point of Walsch’s new spiritual revelation is that God is life, and we are God. (QA, p. 195) This realization of oneness has tremendous practical ramifications as it means that what you do for another, you do for self and vice versa. (CW1, p. 131) In this higher state of awareness, he says you will lose your selfishness as someone else’s interests are now seen as your own interests. (CW2, 141) Furthermore once you see others as you, you will not do harmful things to them as you are them, and you don’t do harmful things to yourself. (T, p. 72-3)
In this new society there will be a shift in consciousness so that everyone will share everything equally, and thus there will not be any private property. (CW3, p. 287 & 294-5) In a really advanced society, there will not even be personal pronouns as there will not even be the concept “yours” or “mine.” (CW3, p. 306-7) Sometimes he says there will be private property, but there will not be a need for taxes. Why not? He says people will contribute freely to the common good as we are all one. He says that “not contributing to the Fund for the Common Good would be like cheating on yourself. What good would that do?” (T, p. 270)
In this new society, people would never let other people starve as we would never do that to ourselves. (QA, p. 156-7) Moreover, there will not be competition, as when one person loses, we all lose as we are one. (CW3, p. 302)
Skeptics might think that some people will take advantage of the situation as in communism. Walsch responds that his system is much different than communism because in that system people were forced to share. In his system, the sharing in society comes about not from force, but from a change in consciousness. His theory is grounded in the belief that when a critical mass of people realize we are all one, it brings change in everyone.
Still Walsch thinks that sometimes people will do less than ideal actions. He says that if someone is a welfare cheat, you do not stop helping them as God’s goodness, patience and love (and hence ours as we are God) is never ending. (CW2, p. 170-1) If people do other harmful things, there will not be any punishment. He says that “the idea of punishment is simply not something that occurs to them [people living in advanced societies], because the concept of punishment itself is incomprehensible to them. Why would the One Being want to hurt Itself? Even if It has done something that is damaging, why would It want to hurt Itself again? How does hurting Itself once more correct the damage of the first hurt? It’s like stubbing one’s toe, then kicking twice as hard to retaliate.“ (CO, p. 151)
The essence of Walsch’s vision is that we are all one with God and one another; once we realize this, we will change and treat each other well. He is to be respected for bringing into New Thought a new dimension of social concern and trying to develop a vision of how people who take New Thought seriously will bring about social change.
Problems
The first problem with his social vision is that he says we will never do bad things to others as you don’t do bad things to yourself. Unfortunately, this is just untrue: we do bad things to ourselves all the time. Vast numbers of people consume harmful or dangerous food because it tastes yummy or smoke cancer causing cigarettes because they enjoy it. Or we just have to look at the problems people have with drugs to know that this idea that people don’t harm themselves is simply not true.
His whole oneness approach will not solve the problem he thinks it will because most people don’t treat themselves that well, so there is no reason to think they will treat others well even if they think the others are themselves.
The second problem is his belief in how these ideas will come about in society. He says that when enough individual people share his ideas, a critical mass will be reached which will create a force field of some type so that everyone in society will share this belief. He says that “as more and more people are awakening… that number will reach critical mass, and the so-called Hundredth Monkey theory will play out its effect. That is, everyone at once will know and understand.” (QA, p. 240)
The idea of this kind of force field is very popular in the New Age movement. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi says that when enough people meditate, peaceful and calm vibrations are sent out so there is less crime and terrorism in the area. And Rupert Sheldrake refers to this idea as morphogenetic fields. But the most popular way of phrasing this concept is the hundredth monkey. While Walsch finds this a hopeful concept, unfortunately for him, the hundredth monkey and related phenomena have been thoroughly debunked by researchers and scientists. [The present site has a larger essay on the problems with the hundredth monkey idea.]
So the theoretical foundations of his solution do not work. Things will not suddenly change radically for the better when we think of others as ourselves. If we want to change our civilization, we have to look for a different approach than Walsch’s.
While Walsch’s basic vision is flawed, his discussions about religion contain some basic misconceptions that many modern spiritual people share and so it is useful to discuss them.
The first misconception is that he overestimates religion’s effect on our lives. He says that our whole culture emerged from religion. (T, p. 115) But there are lots of other influences on our culture such as philosophy, science and our theory of human nature. The philosophy behind capitalism did not emerge from religion. Adam Smith was very much influenced by Stoic philosophy and his theory of human nature, but he was not much influenced by religion. His theory of capitalism came from a theory of human nature that says we are selfish creatures but the Deist God arranged things in such a way that our selfishness works for the good of all in the long run.
Walsch has a theory of human nature where we are good and part of God. So he says that it is hard for us to kill one another as it goes against every instinct we have. So why do we kill each other? Not because we are greedy or lustful or want more land or because we are selfish by nature. No, according to Walsch, it is due to organized religion brainwashing us that it is okay to kill. Organized religion has reorganized our thoughts so that we think killing is okay. (NR, p. 206-7) Killing did not start because I wanted your pretty wife or your clean cave, it started because of organized religion.
Walsch seems naïve to think religion is the only important negative force in our lives. He is neglecting selfishness, lust and our other lower base desires. But his position follows from the basic tenets of New Thought: it says we are one with God and does not really believe we suffer from bad past karma, sinful nature or lower personality desires that significantly push us away from God.
New Thought does not believe in evil, but for Walsch, organized religion becomes the functional equivalent of evil. He teaches that we are one with God and would continue to have this oneness, except for organized religion. This scapegoating of organized religion makes it basically equivalent to the Christian devil. (Except the Christians are more sophisticated and do not give all the power to the devil as our lower base urges also play a major part in our troubles.)
The second misconception is that he does not understand how religious change happens and how much religions have changed throughout history. Religions change tremendously, but Walsch does not notice the change because the religions keep the same holy books. They change by interpreting their book differently or putting more emphasis on another part of the book. So in America in the mid-1800s, slavery was a major problem. There are many passages in the Bible that, if interpreted literally, support keeping slaves. The Southerners interpreted these passages literally and held up the Bible as supporting slavery. In order to abolish slavery, the Northerners did not need a new revelation, they needed a new way of reading the Bible. And they got one. Instead of focusing on the literal interpretation of biblical passages, they emphasized the larger principles and general arc of the Bible. These were for liberation, freedom, equality and care for everyone. The abolitionist movement in America was led by religious people using the Bible as support for the abolition of slavery. A related process is happening now in our country concerning homosexuality where many people interpret Bible passages literally to disparage homosexuality, and other people emphasize Jesus’ love and toleration for everyone.
There are many other times in history when Christianity significantly changed to accommodate social changes. So when the Roman Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity and started the process of Christianity becoming the religion of the Roman Empire, Christians stopped being pacifists. When Western Europe, started getting more capitalistic, the Catholic Church changed its traditional condemnation against charging interest on loans.
The third misconception is his claim that his new revelation does not reject earlier religious revelations, but enlarges and enlivens them as it is a synthesis of the best of the old and the new. Modern spiritual writers like to claim their spiritual systems encapsulate earlier traditions in a higher synthesis. James Redfield claims this in his book Celestine Prophecy, and Ken Wilber says his ideas are a synthesis of previous ways of thinking. These writers say their synthesis keeps the basic, core insights of the previous tradition.
The trouble is that it is not easy to decide what are the core principles from the older tradition that have to be kept in the synthesis, and what are the lesser principles that can be left behind. Buddha told his disciples before he died that they could discard the minor monastic rules and follow only the major important ones. However, his disciples could not decide how to do this, and they ended up retaining all the monastic rules, including interesting ones like all medicine has to have urine in it and monks cannot eat after noon.
When Walsch talks about changing unimportant principles of the Christian tradition, he specifically points to changing the masculine pronouns used in the Bible to make them gender neutral. Walsch says that changing the pronouns is not changing anything important and people should realize this. He knows that “critics such as James Dobson, founder of the conservative Focus on the Family ministry, say muting ‘the masculinity intended by the authors of Scripture’ violates the Gospel by ‘ obscuring the fatherhood of God’… ‘and the true identity of Jesus Christ.’” He, however, says this resistance is “petulant bickering.” (NR 75 & 76)
Walsch claims to be making a higher synthesis, but a true synthesis will have to convince conservatives like Dobson, not just liberals. Otherwise, it is not a convincing or good synthesis that takes our culture to the next stage of its spiritual evolution. Redfield and Wilber’s work suffer from the same kind of easy “synthesizing.” So the vast majority of Christians still have not realized how the Celestine Prophecy revitalizes their faith, and the vast majority of academics pay absolutely no attention to Wilber’s work. Of course these spiritual writers and New Agers in general just dismiss these people as having resistances and blockages, but the mark of a true synthesis is that it will be convincing to non-believers, not just to believers.
Killing Mosquitoes and Killing Jews
While his theory of social change will not succeed and it is based on misconceptions about religion, the last problem with Walsch’s social theory is how his ideas about oneness apply to killing other creatures. This point is especially contentious because Walsch says, or seems to say, the Jews co-created their deaths in the Holocaust, and Hitler actually did them a favor by killing them.
This point starts by discussing the killing of mosquitoes. Walsch asks God, “If I am One with everything, what about swatting the mosquito?” (FR, p. 371) The Buddhists share a very similar philosophy of oneness with Walsch and their answer to this question is pretty simple: do not kill any living creature, even an insect, as non-violence is the spiritual way of living. Considering Walsch thinks God is life and life is sacred, one might think he would respond like the Buddhists do. Nevertheless Walsch does not give this simple and seemingly obvious answer.
He has God reply, “What kind of change do you choose to create in that part of your Self that you call the mosquito? That is the question you are asking, and that is the implication of the We Are All One wisdom. You are ‘changing’ the part of The All that you call the mosquito. You cannot ‘kill’ the mosquito, do you see? Life is eternal, you cannot end it. You do have the power to change your form. As in your popular science fiction entertainments, you might call yourself a shape shifter. Yet know this: all of consciousness acts together. In the highest sense, it is impossible for one of you to have dominion or control over another. Every aspect of divinity has co-creative control over its destiny. Therefore, you cannot kill a mosquito against its will. At some level, the mosquito has chosen that. All of the change in the universe occurs with the consent of the universe itself, in its various forms. The universe cannot disagree with itself. That is impossible.” (FR, p. 371)
I have highlighted the last part of the quote because it says that any creature killed by a person has participated in the killing by choosing to be killed. You could not have killed it otherwise as we are all one.
Walsch is aware these ideas sound dangerous. He says “this is dangerous talk. This is a dangerous teaching. People could use this to say, ‘Well, then I can do anything to anyone I want, since they’ve given me their permission. After all, they’re ‘co-creating’ it with me….we can do “incredible damage to each other, all under the guise of simply believing that everything in the Universe agrees with what we are doing. I am just deeply troubled by that.” (FR, p. 371-2)
Walsch does not give an easily understandable reply here. God quickly says a person will not torture someone else as that is torturing yourself. But on the other hand, God responds by repeating the point: “it is impossible to do anything against the will of another…WE ARE ALL ONE. Therefore, of course, you cannot do anything to another that has not at some level been co-created with you. That would be possible only if we are not All One. Yet, WE ARE ALL ONE. There is only one of Us. We are creating this reality together.” (FR373-4)
Walsch comes back to this point ten pages later and asks again if it is okay to swat a mosquito, pick weeds or kill lambs for “those delicious, tender chops?” (FR, p. 385-6)
God responds by saying that he has no preferences other than what people want to do. (FR, p. 386-7) He says people are free to decide for themselves what to do and they define themselves by these choices. (FR, p. 388) Furthermore, because we are God, we also decide who God is. Walsch says “In your daily actions and choices, you are not only announcing who You Are, you are also deciding Who I Am, because you and I are One.” (FR, p. 389)
As far as I know, Walsch does not say we should be totally non-violent and never kill another creature. When he talks about Hitler, he even says, or seems to say, that killing another creature is not bad in any way.
God starts by saying that Hitler did nothing “wrong” and so is in heaven. (CW2, p. 55) Walsch then asks, “I still don’t understand how Hitler could have gone to heaven; how he could have been rewarded for what he did?” God responds: “First, understand that death is not an end, but a beginning; not a horror, but a joy. It is not a closing down, but an opening up. The happiest moment of your life will be the moment it ends. That’s because it doesn’t end but only goes on in ways so magnificent, so full of peace and wisdom and joy, as to make it difficult to describe and impossible for you to comprehend. So the first thing you have to understand – as I’ve already explained to you – is that Hitler didn’t hurt anyone. In a sense, he didn’t inflict suffering, he ended it.” (CW2, p. 56)
God makes it even clearer that Hitler did not harm the Jews. In fact, he says, or seems to be saying, that Hitler actually liberated the Jews. “The mistakes Hitler made did no harm or damage to those whose deaths he caused. Those souls were released from their earthly bondage like butterflies emerging from a cocoon. The people who were left behind mourn those deaths only because they do not know of the joy into which those souls entered. No one who has ever experienced death ever mourns the death of anyone.” (CW, p. 242)
After Walsch wrote the Conversations with God series of books, many people asked him questions about his worldview. One question was about the Hitler passages. He says this Hitler passage is the most challenging in all his books, and he himself struggles with it. (QA, p. 331) He wants to make it clear, though, he is not trivializing the Holocaust. (QA, p. 332) He says that some people say that my books “portray Jews as simply having been ‘liberated from their Earthly troubles’ by the Holocaust, and since return to the Creator is a joyful experience, there is nothing to complain about.” (QA, p. 333) He responds that no “reasonable interpretation of the material” could fairly portray him as thinking God condones killing human beings, or he brushes the Holocaust off as no consequence or of no importance. (QA, p. 334)
But I think Walsch does, or seems to do, something far worse: by saying that death is to be welcomed as we are going to a better place by being liberated from suffering on earth, and by saying that you cannot kill a mosquito (or any creature) unless it has chosen to be killed by you, Walsch is saying that the Jews killed in the Holocaust chose Hitler to kill them. Furthermore, the Jews killed in the Holocaust should be thankful to Hitler for liberating them from suffering on earth. It even seems, that according to his philosophy, Hitler was the greatest helper of the Jews in history as so many Jews chose him to liberate themselves from their horrible suffering on Earth.
All the books referred to in the essay were written by Neale Donald Walsch.
CO = Communion with God (New York: The Berkley Publishing Group, 2000)
CW1 = Conversations with God: an uncommon dialogue, Book 1, (New York: G. P. Putnam’s Sons, 1996).
CW2 = Conversations with God: an uncommon dialogue, Book 2 (Charlottesville, VA: Hampton Roads Publishing Company, Inc., 1997)
CW3 = Conversations with God: an uncommon dialogue, Book 3 (Charlottesville, VA: Hampton Roads Publishing Company, Inc., 1998)
F = Friendship with God: An Uncommon Dialogue (New York: The Berkley Publishing Group, 1999)
H = Happier than God: Turn Ordinary Life into an Extraordinary Experience (Ashland, OR: EmninBooks, 2008)
NR = Th New Revelations: A Conversation with God (New York: Atria Books, 2002)
QA = Questions and Answers on Conversations with God (Charlottesville, VA: Hampton Roads Publishing Company, Inc., 1999)
T = Tomorrow’s God: Our Greatest Spiritual Challenge (New York: Atria Books, 2004)
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Neale has helped more people than this writer has. FACT.
I LOVE the way these new agers seem to think theyre so evolved and can “smile” down on Josephs logical good critism. as if looking down/smiling on someone was ever spiritual anyway.I notice CWG gets a lot of these “spiritual” people who think that NEALE IS THE TRUTH. IF they read the book properly it says they are many ways to the truth,not just via Neale donald walsch. i also think these people like cackle (my god what a FITTING NAME.) who “smile” at Josephs disbelief (smiling down,in a patronising sarcastic way) cannot be as spiritual as they think or say they are because DO YOU THINK SPIRITUAL PEOPLE WOULD LOOK DOWN/SMILE DOWN on ANYONE ELSE? no! I think you will find you would agree that NO.
also other people saying Nelae is THE TRUTH,are missing the point and becoming like “religionists” by thinking Joseph this writer MUST be wrong but THEIR neale is right. HMM. sounds like religion eh people???!!! I read these books 11 years ago and have studied them since,and know them almost inside out and I have mixed feelings on them.and whilst the messages are loving and free poeple like cackle from religion (which I am happy about cackle,thats another prison you are better free from..not the religions I mean the limitataions, U commented on.) I also think cackle smiling in a sinister manner on this writer is also a very “I AM GOD I AM RIGHT NOT YOU” way of thinking which Neales God actually states that causes war. WHY on earth would U smile down at Joseph for finding it hard to believe that a terrible murder masscare would be a freedom? Sure sure in the wishy washy “im so new aged” way it deos make sense,but then again anythign does in that open minded unrealistic new age thinking patterns. you could say anythign is anythign and twist and make right anythign if you are like these new agers and love and lighters.I agree death is a freedom,but WHO ARE YOU cackle to JUDGE (by the way cackle re read CWG..it says DO NOT JUDGE.) to judge what The writer thinks? SO NOW HES DEFINATELY WRONG? NOW HES NOT ALLOWED A OPINION? ISNT THAT THE OPOSITE OF WHAT CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD TEACHES?? CACKLE AND KYLIE YOU ARE DOING THE SAME THING AS THESE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE U DETEST TOO.WHY cant he not feel comfy with callous casual murder? if you think he hasnt understood thats HIS level hes at its not silly or laughable or anything to smile grossly at (people who smile when angry freak me out..very sinsiter..like a horror movie!! lol!) hes allowed to not have accepted your truth yet or dying. hes allowed to feel what he feels,and who says HE has something to learn? thats another OPINION not the truth. i love (or hate) the way neale has all these die hard fans who think hes right NO MATTER WHAT and its the TRUTH (TRUTH in caspital letters says kylie) kylie,isnt that what starts war? re read the book..it says thats the attitude that starts wars. HOW HYPORCITICAL.
Now i can predict u new agers sittign there thinking i oppose CWG books (neales books)
ACTUALLY I LOVE THEM. BUT you are not following your leader and what you say is DEFINATELY GOD by saying neale is right and ALL OTHERS ARE SO WRONG INCLUDING JOSEPPH.
Can you hear yourself? I love spirituality but i notice some “spiritual” people like some here become VERY SARKY AND GROSS and “IM RIGHT”…
BEWARE THE NEW AGE,comes to mind! (not that theyre all like U,i can already hear you sittin there with misplaced anger thinking im attacking ALL new agers.as neales god would say this is just an OBSERVATION. )
like one..JOHN HATCHER.. even claimed that the writer came here and chose to not “have the intelligence”
OH JOHN HATCHER does that mean any other opinion or any other truth makeths the person STUPID? i think youll find it even says in CWG that everyone is right,theres no wrong,all religions and thought are valid. JOHN HATCHER YOU are now doing what these religions are doing and condemning/insulting any other views calling them UNINTELLIGENT cos they didnt agree??? YOU ARE NOW MAING A MOCKERY OF CWG BOOKS AND NEALE. BECAUSE neales books say there are many ways of truth and it EVEN SAYS THAT ITS NOT THE TRUTH IT SAYS ITS ALL MADE UP,YOU CAN TAKE IT HOW YOU WISH IF ITS TRUE FOR YOU. EVEN NEALE SAYS THAT!
SO you contrived new agers are all for war and not lettin joseph have his say? do ut hink neales god would agree with yous there? hmm..i think not.
I like what brad said..this is how religion came about one man talked to God and people saying his was the ONLY WAY. be careful your not becoming what you oppose. have YOUR truth and DO NOT pick at or laugh/smile down at others. or call them wrong or stupid. (you are starting to sound like a church!!)
God in neales book would encourage Josephs critique and even says “i could be wrong” because its HIS TRUTH..NOT A NEW BIBLE OR THE ONLY TRUTH.
A question for you JOHN HATCHER…Did YOU choose to come to the earth to talk down to others and not let them have their own opinion? to be that UNSPIRITUAL? bless YOU my child.
Johna nd others,I know what it is,neale is now YOUR BIBLE! he is to yous THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NEVER ANYTHIng ELSE,AND YOU ARE NOW ACTING LIKE THESE RELIGIOUS WARS PEOPLE.And your irratated and threatened that Joseph has some good logical critism and Good points on neales books. neale cant always be right sorry. Joseph makes some good points.You feel you have somethhing to lose by this critique..its only a opinion as is neales. the truth is what YOU make it GOd,er I mean JOHN.
I dont agree completely with Joseph or neale,I MAKE MY OWN TRUTH FOR ME,I DONT SMILE DOWN OR BLESS PEOPLE IN A PATRONISING WAY if they disgaree with me. hmm..sounds very religinist,fighting like that!
I like CWG books and I think yes KYLIE they do free us from religion etc and theyre very postitive but do NOT make the same mistake as your old church and think your right and above anyone else who may have A DIFFERENT TRUTH to YOU OR NEALE. it even says in cwg “this book what not meant to REPLACE YOUR BIBLE its just another view) dont get obsessed and stuck in it like U did with religion be free no matter what from religious barriers and spiritual arragance,please.
and JOHN ALSO…
WHY do u think Neales God is the ONLY way? THATS the exact attitude that causes wars.
BLESS YOU MY CHILD.
PS
Neales loyal one sided followers..please read your new bible properly.
I love the books! Thanks Neale.
moz,kenya
intellegent critiques , bless you my child you have chosen to come to earth with less than the intelegence needed to understand the truth… you have done well to forget yourself….. please put something into the world and universe? rather than being a crtique of what others have done or are doing.. its because you have been a center for critisum in you life that you are like this.. you have you youre own source of enery .. stop being a thief..
I have had three of his books now for about10 years or more an I have found them very close to my own views though I have never considered my thoughts to be those of G_D but I agree that in an ultimate sense they are. I want to mention several of my own experience because I think they relate quite well to many of your comments and that about which you are writing.
At about 11 following a discussion among us boy re: where we were born brought up by a news article about a hospital mix-up. I asked myself – Who would I be if I had been raised by someone else? In 1946, just out of the army, our minister spoke on the Divine Paradox — the Christian Trinity. I decided to solve this paradox. Following a number of discussions around the chem lab and our Young Adult Group I had some new ideas. I related them to the minister who said “That’s good. Work it out.” About a month later I had and the “A-ha” happened and I knew I was G_D, akin to being a cell in a body. My subsequent life (now 85) has been based on that knowing.
Lastly, my poem — Creation may be likened unto a bolt of fabric that is cut and sewn into an infinite variety of garments for the soul of God. In this way we All are folds of the same cloth.
I do want to emphasize that that ALL is inclusive — the totality of Creation. Love to All.
Sorry Neale…after all these years (since 2002) I still have difficulty with the spelling of your surname, which is Walsch of course!
I have read a lot of New Age material and the CWG books are the most challenging and uplifting of all: absolutely fascinating, beautiful books which I would recommend to anyone. We are fortunate to have Neale Donald Walshe, God bless him.
It takes time and a willing open mind to understand the layers of truth contained in such works. To critique a spiritual work from intellectual perspective seems pointless to me. I know for a fact that this material has changed many peoples lives for the better. What else is required? To critique something that is beyond one’s current understanding based on one’s current understanding sounds as productive to me as chasing one’s tail. Before attempting such a thing why not try to meet these works on their own ground. Using the past to define the future is what keeps us where we are.Hasn’t this been the problem long enough? This critique in my opinion is simply an example of what is not working. Perhaps our energy would be better placed in expanding our awareness of what is truly possible instead of thwarting those who seek to do just that as well as encourage others to do the same. Penny for your thoughts.
Anyone who has a direct and close relationship within them…with their own Soul and with God-Source, knows of this that Neale Donald Walsch speaks of…he is not imagining or thinking creatively…he is sharing from all he has been shown within, taught about directly from within…this is Truth!
So before We continue commenting any further..it would be best if we did so from the place of KNOWING…Rather than from NOT KNOWING.
I want to encourage everyone to first and foremost, reconnect with your own Soul, Higher Self, and then with God-Source to the point where you relate, converse, and communicate 24/7 about everything in your inner and outer life…and only then will you be capable of commenting on what Neale Donald Walsch is saying about what is possible.
I am not connected to him, I do not follow him. However, I agree completely with what he says because I KNOW and have also heard and seen the exact same things and it comes directly from within my own Source-Being from God-Source.
The ancient sages gave us one very important clue. Surely you have heard of it! They said, “Know Thy Self!”
Try it…You Might Like it and be glad you remembered The Self! You may never ever want to go back! And you will be another who KNOWS TRUTH!
Blessing!
Anjali
I just had to smile at the author seeing a problem with believing that death is the ultimate release. Isn’t freedom our ultimate reward? After reading CWG 1 I was released from all the doubts and fears I had while being a professed Christian. I had always questioned the precepts of the “Church” and was always uncomfortable and fearful. Only after the Truth was revealed to me, was I able to shake off the fear of a vengeful God. It is just all so very logical!
I do not agree with your excerpt except for the fact that we, as humans, have lower than noble instincts. But it is a learned behavior shaped by our environment. I would not go as far as stating that only organized religion is the perpetrator, but having lived in many countries, I have definitely obseverved that those who are thinking we’re all separate from one another definitely are strongly influenced by either too much religion (and it’s biased or self-serving interpetration) or a total lack of spirituality. And if war and killing each other was the solution, it would have solved all our problems thus far. Living is complex in itself. But, us human, make it complicated for self-serving purpose, just because we don’t know better. Those who are coming forth with a peaceful solution are always portrayed as lunatic at first glance.
Having read most of NDW’s books, i can reply on the criticism that we as humans will not hurt each other once we understand we are one with God as follows: I worked in a South AFrican prison with the worst gangsters. The trainings was not specifically NDW’s books, but it was largely based on the concept of us being one with each other. It was quite remarkable the change that occurred physically and internally for them. They naturally gravitated towards doing good towards themselves and others. A different understanding and form of interacting happened when this awareness of Oneness of humanity was brought to them. If nothing else, i have to some extent experienced with over 300 prisoners the start of the effect of this.
Since ‘discovering’ CWG 8 years ago, I have been able to piece together childhood trauma and find peace as an adult.
I read CWG 1 over a period of 2 years. I read each page and digested and ingested the information. I feasted on it, chewed it over, munched it and crunched it – until I fully understood every concept in each chapter. I would not progress until I pored over every minute detail and absolutely felt I had ‘got it’ – before I would move on to the next part or page.
I felt as though I had come through years in the desert, I was parched and starved. The information I was getting from CWG was my hydration, providing succour and sustenance to my soul! It was what I had been searching for all my Life – the information hit a core in me that made absolute sense.
I have been brought up through conventional religion but I had major struggles with what I was hearing from the clergy over the years and what I felt in my heart God should be. I felt God should have been bigger, smarter, more expansive than the one I was being ‘taught’ he was. The narrow minded, revengeful god I was being fed did not sit well with me. In my heart my God was like the God in CWG, and I talked to “My God” everyday as a best friend, confidante – mate, buddy.
I am absolutely in awe of the Universe. The creation of all Life, the magnificence and impossibility of the planets hanging in suspended nothingness – the abundance and scope of the flaura and fauna of our Planet Earth. My mind doesnt have the capacity to appreciate the scope of it all but my heart bursts with the joy of being part of the amazing phenomenon that it is. Every night I give thanks. I am grateful and thankful to be a part of this Life. To have the opportunity to partake of all it has to offer. Each day I bring out the best in myself and offer that to the universe “I am goodness and mercy and compassion and understanding. I am peace and joy and light. I am forgiveness and patience, strength and courage, a helper in time of need, a comforter in time of sorrow, a healer in time of injury, a teacher in times of confusion. In moments of my life I have known myself as these things – I know that I am these things always”. What else can we be except the best we can be. Thats all the universe needs from us. Truth, Joy and Love.
I choose to listen to the message, not shoot the messenger!
Neale actually states that humans will not want to harm themselves once “they know who they really are” once humans see they are not separate from God, they will not harm themselves (to such a great extent,they will probably still like to skydive and cliff jump!lol)and then will find it much more difficult to harm others…so the idea that humans harm themselves so badly (bad diet, smoking, drugs) at the current time in evolution is a big part of his conversation…it is central to his idea that if “we”,humans,all figure out what the @%*&* is going on here, that is when we may avoid complete self destruction….if we decide to see it….
Neal, in my opinion, has done to mankind a real big favor by helping open our eyes. It is so heartening, and feels good to read his books and feel at peace, after years of torment and suffering that people like me have had to go through in life. The fear and guilt just vanishes away and it seems like instant flow of positivity that leaves you energized. In my case a huge load that i have been carrying for decades has just been lifted off my shoulders. Thank you Neal Donal Walsch.